Frogs Ahoy!

blueadam88 · Senior Member

GBB rifles tech support

MercHZ · Senior Member

hehehe i am subscribed to the tch support of the GBB rles sa FAS am also a contributor.

Altho onti palang ang experience ko, I can share some.

Mags are not a problem once you've done the silicon RV sealing.

If you're not skilled in that area I can help you, just buy me new panties in exchange.

Also the misfires problem I have sovlved, i can assist also those who are en****ering them.

regardng the HOP and the Bolt catch, si Gerarld na ung expert dyan, am about to experiment alang on the replacements.

ninjan · Senior Member

i was talking to renegade cow last night and i told him how the gbbs bugged down and he suggested ordering all the available reinforced parts for the gbb online. mga $30 lang naman daw total nun tapos bawas na sa sakit ng ulo. no trouble going through customs naman daw kasi hindi naman identifiable yung parts or baka pwede din magorder kay storm.

for mag leaks, pwede tapalan ng gasket yung parts para masmaganda ang seal

blueadam88 · Senior Member

@ merchz
bibili na ako ng So En, anu size mo?

@ Jan
pwede malaman which specific parts ang sabi ni rc? and where to order? dem... wala talaga alam sa kalikot nyan, ni hindi nga ako marunong clean ng rifle eh, har har

ninjan · Senior Member

may nabangit din sakin na custom hop up chamber. might be able to hook u guys up

MercHZ · Senior Member

hehe Blue Sunjoy gusto ko galing baclaran.

Seriously, maybe we can do a group order, tutal halos laht tayo meron at magkakaroon nun eh kakailanganin yan. ung edgi TB inaabangan ko din.

baka meron ung upgrade kit para pwede tumanggap ng C02.

i reresearch ko din yan, mamaya daan ako metrowalk ipagbilin mo mags mo blue, kakalikutin ko lahat para maayos. bago pa naman ung tube ng silicon rv ko dito eh.

JohnClark · Senior Member

I already copied RC's hot glue hop rubber and it works great compared to my old stock hop rubber. Now I'm excited when EdGi TB are available.

For replacement parts check airsoft buddy I got most of my replacement parts there http://www.airsoftbuddy.com/index_topic.php?did=1&didpath=/1

Just remember guys when you use RTV sealant to repair mag leaks follow the recommended curing time in the package BEFORE pumping gas in the mag. I would also recommend you remove the inlet valve at the bottom of the mag to let the air in.

blueadam88 · Senior Member

ok ok ok... nose bleed na, hindi ko na gets ung technicalities...

Freon · Bibo

Sama ako sa group order na yan, even if I don't have my gbb yet. I'll eventually need the parts once I get mine. After that, lets have a regular rifle maintenance day, where we meet up and fix up/fine tune our gbb rifles para iwas sakit ng ulo when the time comes that we need our guns.

It will also serve as a way for the less technically inclined of us to learn how to maintain our guns :)

JohnClark · Senior Member

GBB is actually alot easier to maintain than an AEG less moving parts less parts to fail.

For the CO2 conversion you need the new CO2 steel loading nozzle and of course the CO2 mag.

ninjan · Senior Member

sabi ni renegade cow, pwede daw niya kayo gawan ng hop up for mga 75 pesos each. dalhin na lang daw sa cxg (cqb site kung san kami naglalaro) para mainstall niya at matest, or pwede niyo na lang gayahin since napost na pala niya hehehe. he can also make stainless steel part # 59. let me know na lang.

i think airsoft buddy din siya bumibili

-- Edited by Jan on Tuesday 5th of May 2009 11:10:40 PM

blueadam88 · Senior Member

Id agree with rocco... pag usapan natin yan dis saturday, will you guys be available? pioneer tayo... individual operator photo shoot narin tayow... ^^V so japorms japorms narin, hehe

MercHZ · Senior Member

Oks ill try to make it saturday afternoon, Ill try to bring my tools and stuff. BTW i saw sa isa store sa QC may mga repair its, oring and bearing kits.

Ill probably drop by there today or tomorrow, taas kamay papabili.

regarding renegadecow, guru ng gas guns yan, would be nice to get him invited sa isang transfer of technology session. I have a shop sa marikina we can do sessions there.

pero kung di makaya iinvite sige pabili nalang din ako dalwang hop kelan kayo magkikita ulit jan?

blueadam88 · Senior Member

this saturday magkitakita tayo sa pioneer... medyo need natin asikasuhin gbbs natin... na engkanto mga gbb natin nung ops... ako pabili ako ng parts... though am not sure para saan un, hehehehehe

Cj Radge · Guru

Mga paps, this site will help you a lot: http://www.gasguns.info/forum/

I've been reading this forum for months now and its very informative. Enjoy! =)

MercHZ · Senior Member

yups thats where i get nfo also, pero mas magaling parin si renegadecow kesa sa kanila, alam lang nla ung palit na benta din ng RAtech or WETTI, si renegadecow nag dedesign ng bago na parts out of stainles materials, altho still very informative site.

JohnClark · Senior Member

I just made some modifications of the part #59 that renegade replaced with a SS one I believe it willl prevent the cracking, but needs time to validate if my changes were enough if not we really need to replace them with a better design.

Indeed renegade is a great help to the community, that hot glue hop is just genius

-- Edited by JohnClark on Thursday 7th of May 2009 01:10:05 AM

Koolfever · Veteran Member

Budget wise...I think it would be a great help (especially for those who plan or about to acquire an M4 GBB) If you guys can itemize the parts (w/ corresponding prices) needed to fully reinforce it.

This should give us a good figure/ estimate of how much we need to allot to own a good working m4 GBB.

MercHZ · Senior Member

yups para matantya talga ung estimated total cost of owning one.

So far, am just about to get some upgrade sa airsoftbuddy, si Gerald at blue and Korn magpapabili ng ung ano man bibilhin ko hehehe. If there ar others na magpapasabay text me agad.

Item on my list as of the moment.

- 4 pcs C02 compatible stainless steel nozzle
- 4 pcs Chormed Inner Barrel (363mm & 262mm)

update ko later dadagdagan ko pa

Tiger · Bibo

Pre isang inner barrel lang ako ha yung lenght ng N4 hindi ko nga lang alam kung 363mm yun.

johnchicker · Guru

hmm di nyo na aantaying ung 6.01 ni edgi?

Koolfever · Veteran Member

MercHZ wrote:

yups para matantya talga ung estimated total cost of owning one.

So far, am just about to get some upgrade sa airsoftbuddy, si Gerald at blue and Korn magpapabili ng ung ano man bibilhin ko hehehe. If there ar others na magpapasabay text me agad.

Item on my list as of the moment.

- 4 pcs C02 compatible stainless steel nozzle
- 4 pcs Chormed Inner Barrel (363mm & 262mm)

update ko later dadagdagan ko pa

Thanks!! sir Merchz...palagyan narin ng estimate prices para mas ok he he...

ninjan · Senior Member

renegade cow is now selling stainless steel part #59 for your gbbs. 600 pesos each. 8pcs available. let me know asap if your interested para hindi na niya benta sa iba

johnchicker · Guru

ano ung part 59?

ninjan · Senior Member

dis wan http://airsoftbuddy.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=220

nasisira daw yan eventually kasi mahina yung metal na ginamit at merong design flaw. i think bibiyak sa gitna pagtagal.

MercHZ · Senior Member

from HFC22 sa FAS

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tried and fixed both! may verdict on this is both of them have major flaws. because of the blowback action both takes a lot of stress.

we cant talk about performance because both will break too soon. and youll spend more time fixing it than playing with it.

if you guys can wait for a bit more baka may lumabas na newer refined version nito.
but if you cant wait like me then consider this

WA will cost 45ish php with 3 mags

WE 16ish php with one mag buy two more so 20ish na

WA aftermarket parts costs 3 times more than WE

if you get WE for 20k with 3 mags meron ka pang 25k for upgrades before you reach the cost of a basic WA.

sa 25k na upgrades im sure all metal na lahat at super ganda na performance. sa WA 45k na cost wala ka pang upgrade parts.

kinuha ko WE, has some minor flaws pa pero it shoots and performs at par with WA.

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Update ko lang, ung order ko hindi ko na muna itinuloy sabi kasi ni JC pg lumagpas ng $50 inaaswang na ng customs, atsaka ung bibilhin ko na parts nakakuha na si Gerarld, meron nabili na Stinless stel na nozle an C02 compatible, also meron na ung gawa ni XRL na pinatibay na float valve.

So i suppose now is the perfect time to get a GBB, why?

Ung expertise ni Topher mas marami na ngayon, may experimental (pero effectve) na valve wobble isolator.

Ung mga kinks ng WE na-address na more or less.

The new barrel and ver 2 na hop meron na din dumating sa pinas.

TB (tuber colosis bacili/tight barrel) ni edgi sa monday daw darating...(May 18/09)

Pag update ni Gerald kung effective ung ver 2 na hop, and test result ko siguro ng edgi TB perfect system na ang WE, field effectivity na is above par.

Next is for us to learn basic field maintenance and ano dapat baon pag nag 36HRS ops ulit tayo.

Suggestion ko: bili tayo group repair equip like delta ring tool, atsaka ung tool na pang tighten ng ring sa tube sa retractable stock, meron na ako nabili ung tool pang open ng vavle for replacements ng float valve. Would also be good if you have a spare bolt na salpak nalang sa baril pag nasira sa gitna ng bakbakan.

-- Edited by MercHZ on Friday 15th of May 2009 06:16:30 PM

Tiger · Bibo

Guys maganda yung chromed innerbarrel 6.02 with new hop design and the CO2 capable nozzle.

kornplakes · Veteran Member

Pangit yun mahal eh! biggrin

Joke! mwah! me too i like

ninjan · Senior Member

mga paps, advice lang when ordering online. never use EMS. halos dodoble ang babayarin niyo dahil sa mga fees nila na walang saysay tapos kayo pa kukuha sa pasay office. the best is to go through regular air mail. it will take 15-30 days pero kung below $100, wala ka babayaran. kung may budget, fedex na :)

MercHZ · Senior Member

JC:OT: sir gerald, naubusan ako ng propane adoptor ni dec sana nag pasabay ako sayo :)

MercHZ: onga ako din, pinakyaw siguro sa papi ung mga adapter nya. san ba nakaka iskor nun? nasubukan mo na ba ung Pink gas ni HFC22?

JC: Pink gas? tamang tama sa beauty natin! Ahhay

MercHZ: sinabi mo fafa, inbetween green and red gas daw sya. susubukan ko nga meron daw available sa PAPI eh. lipat ko itong kwentuhan natin sa GBB support

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sa pque ako chief e!

pero kung alam mo kung saan yung papi pasig i might be able to leave a couple of refilled cans there. tapos can swap lang or deposit lang ng 50 for the can.

im still formulating the perfect blend for our WE gbbr hirap din kasi dahil minsan hindi talaga nag bolt lock paminsan ang WE even on green.

pero sure na mas matagal mag cooldown to!

134a small can 550grams is 300 pesos

134a big can 650grams is 350 pesos

greengas big can only 300 pesos

pink gas/competition pink small can 300 pesos big can 350pesos

90% full ang cans unlike store bought na 40% full lang

BTW make sure na may unti pang pressure yung empty cans mo kasi madali itong sumingaw at masira pag walang laman.

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ninjan · Senior Member

paps, safe ba yung refill? nakahawak na ako before ng refilled "full tank" tapos it felt unnaturally heavy. mas madami nga siya kaya lang nakakatakot. can we have confirmation that these are safe and won't blow up?

siya ba yung same guy na nag rerefill sa km18?

MercHZ · Senior Member

So far wala pa naman ako bad experience sa mga gas and etc. I actually havent bought or tried any refilled gas. longest experience ko with gases are C02, HPA, 134a and now recent lang green gas (aside from the other gases that i get when eating burritos)

Im not sure kung same guy sa KM18 pero theres a good chance that its him since taga dun sya sa area na un.

good thing nabanggit mo yang safety issue na yan as long as you dont leave it under direct heat of the sun i suppose its safe since its injected sa can same level of pressure rating kakailanganin nun since ratings are always conservative.

Pero would be best practise if may stuffsack na fit sa can para kung mag explode man contained sa sack or para ma prevent ung heating that would cause the gas inside to expand.

wancho · Veteran Member

boys, all my mags are leaking now! what the hell do i do with these!

kornplakes · Veteran Member

Papa Wancho bring it kaw topher or kay Fafa Merchz titino yan hehehe biggrin

JohnClark · Senior Member

RJ, bigay mo nalang yan sakin tapos bili ka nang bago :P

Tiger · Bibo

He he oo nga split kami ni clark.

kornplakes · Veteran Member

magaling tong dalawa o hahahaha

MercHZ · Senior Member

pahiram/abili ng valve key please!!!

also pahiram/pabili ng delta ring tool please!!!

JohnClark · Senior Member

Yo peeps, the CO2 kit for the WE M4 is now available at MAS Php2.8k

MercHZ · Senior Member

Nice JC, did it help? C02 Mags available na rin ba?

JohnClark · Senior Member

Well compared to my previous SS nozzle i got more consistent shots but not as consistent as an AEG plus the large o-ring will keep the nozzle centered every time i haven't experienced any chopped BB's.

CO2 mags wala pa rin daw but even overseas ubusan ng CO2 mags.

Freon · Bibo

I'm also looking to get the full co2 conversion kit and the new barrel with the improved hop but I think one of my parents is going to hongkong sometime in October or November. I think I'll tag along and buy my parts there.

If you guys want anything from there, list it down na and I'll keep you guys up-to-date regarding the hongkong trip. Sa ngayon, it was just mentioned over dinner so there are still no concrete plans.

Hindi ako nanlilibre ng parts ha! KKB parin!

-- Edited by Freon on Thursday 23rd of July 2009 04:19:24 AM

johnchicker · Guru

yooooooooonnnnnnn.........

sige bukas bibili nako ng manilapaper ng maisulat ang shopping list back to back....

MercHZ · Senior Member

ako isa lang request ko, swimmer na may pang VHF na pins un lang!

Tiger · Bibo

Ayaw mo nang convertion lang?

MercHZ · Senior Member

ung convertion parang sabit ata eh. sabit ba brader john?

johnchicker · Guru

ok naman merchy kelangan lang specific sa unit ung pag convert ung sakin kasi ang nangyari kinonvert na ang nakakakbit na pang ibababaw is ung com tech ni wancho e kinuha nya ung comtech kaya di na gumana ung ilalim sa swimmers si wancho kasi e kung di nya kinuha ung ibabaw na comtec ed sana meron pa rin akong ginagamit....

Tiger · Bibo

Ha ha ikaw pa eh di bili ka ng comtech.

johnchicker · Guru

aanhin ko un e may ..... na ako.... hehehe...

Freon · Bibo

I'm bumping this thread due to the fine-tuning I've done on my own gun and repairs I've done for Vantagepoint's leaky magazines.

The upgrades I recommend snagging if you are using old gen WE rifles are are the CO2 kit (even if you use green gas), the chromed ("chormed" on airsoftbuddy) barrel, and the reinforced charging handle.

If you have a new WE (that comes with the CO2 kit) you just need to grab a tight barrel and/or change the hop to the black (version 3) one.

I've seen several DIY mods out there as well.

One is the lightening of the bolt carrier. This increases your ROF on auto and it reduces your recoil and gas consumption.

another mod that I've seen is the extension of the internal brass tube to maintain the alignment of your nozzle assembly. I'm not too sure how it affects FPS but it should make for one nasty gun.

JohnClark also has a few interesting mods on his for FPS control and the bolt catch. JC, I'd like to take a closer look at your mods and see if I can replicate them or have them replicated.

New reinforced green-gas mags are now available and these shouldn't explode if you load red gas in them. They should also come with no leak problems OTB. Mine hasn't leaked yet.

New CO2 mags are also available but I've known these to be leaky as well. If you guys do decide to go CO2 and one starts to leak. Please let me have a go at fixing it so I know how these buggers work. Also available on Airsoft Buddy is a dummy co2 canister that you can put green or red gas in so that you can test your magazines for leaks.

Maintenance of rubber parts: 1. Every after a game, you need to clean your gun. 2. Every after shooting, you need to put a little bit of silicone on the o-rings of your gun and the valves and rubber parts of each magazine. Store your magazines with about 50 to 60% of the gas you would normally put in them so that o-rings don't become un-seated and your mag starts leaking.

If you haven't already, put some loctite or whatever your preferred thread lock is in 3 key locations. the thread on part #36, the thread on part #39 where it joins the nozzle, and the screw that assembles part #33. I recommend using medium-strength vibration-resistant loctite so in case you have to perform maintenance on your gun, these parts will still be relatively easy to unscrew.

To test your mags for leaks, I recommend immersing them in water and looking for bubbles. Leaks can be prevented by adding silicone in the right spot or checking on the offending o-ring or seal.

I hope this helps somewhat though I know I'm just telling some of you what you may already know.

-- Edited by Freon on Saturday 19th of September 2009 05:07:05 PM